State-by-State Gun Laws

[Isaac-1]

Skookum, the problem with those so called red flag laws is that most (all) of them are a fundamental violation of due process, and many allow confiscation of guns for the most vague of reasons. I personally don't have a problem banning people with a long history of severe mental health issues from owning guns, what I do have a problem with is vengeful soon to be ex-wife getting her husbands guns confiscated the day before hunting season starts because she "felt uncomfortable". Imagine if the same standards used in these red flag laws were applied to preventing the exercise of any other constitutional right.

Lets go down the list, freedom of speech, unless that speech makes others uncomfortable (ok, maybe bad example given the current state of online speech).

Freedom of religion, unless someone thinks you are doing it wrong, no unreasonable searches, unless we think your a bad guy,

 

[Isaac-1]

Imagine hiring a cash management service instead of willingly being a piece of bait walking around with $50k in cash at night. The insanity.

That might work in a larger city, but its a bit hard to do in a town of 10,000 people

 

[Skookum]

To be afraid of such a guy being openly armed is ridiculous, IMAO.

Because I'm sure everybody knows he's trained or is an instructor, right? Not just some gun nut open-carrying?

 

[Isaac-1]

Because I'm sure everybody knows he's trained or is an instructor, right? Not just some gun nut open-carrying?

Again, this is an attitude problem, if you lived somewhere that open carry is common, it would be no different than noticing some guy was or was not wearing a hat. I was in the Texas hill country a few days ago, and saw two guys participating in the sale of a handgun beside a pickup truck on the main street of a town of a couple of thousand people right in front of the restaurant where I was eating. Nothing necessarily wrong or illegal about it, one guy wanted to buy a gun, one guy wanted to sell a gun.

 

[Skookum]

Skookum, the problem with those so called red flag laws is that most (all) of them are a fundamental violation of due process, and many allow confiscation of guns for the most vague of reasons. I personally don't have a problem banning people with a long history of severe mental health issues from owning guns, what I do have a problem with is vengeful soon to be ex-wife getting her husbands guns confiscated the day before hunting season starts because she "felt uncomfortable". Imagine if the same standards used in these red flag laws were applied to preventing the exercise of any other constitutional right.

Lets go down the list, freedom of speech, unless that speech makes others uncomfortable (ok, maybe bad example given the current state of online speech).

Freedom of religion, unless someone thinks you are doing it wrong, no unreasonable searches, unless we think your a bad guy,

Invalid argument. We don't have freedom of/from religion in this country.

 

[Skookum]

Again, this is an attitude problem, if you lived somewhere that open carry is common, it would be no different than noticing some guy was or was not wearing a hat.

You're right, it is an attitude problem when it's not common to open carry and it's "demonstrators" carrying large guns through public spaces and stores, and when people disrespect property owner's wishes and take guns inside of stores, restaurants, bars and other places where owners ask you not to bring them in.

 

[Isaac-1]

In most places it is a crime to take a gun into a store where the owner does not want you to carry them, some states require the owner to post specific signage, saying basically you can't bring your gun in here, but if they do the cops will arrest people that ignore it.

 

[Oldgator73]

Imagine hiring a cash management service instead of willingly being a piece of bait walking around with $50k in cash at night. The insanity.

It’s an excuse to carry a gun. Want vs need.

 

[Oldgator73]

That might work in a larger city, but its a bit hard to do in a town of 10,000 people

One would posit in a town of 10,000 the local police or sheriff would have plenty of time to escort someone while making a deposit. Oh, here’s another idea; purchase a safe and then make the deposit when the bank is open during daylight hours. Wait a minute, I bet your company had a safe. How come you couldn’t make the deposit in the afternoon before the bank closed?Yeah, I can see why doing it at midnight all alone would be a better idea.

 

[Skookum]

Wait...I thought all places that aren't big cities are safe places, at least that's what I'm told. Because most people carry guns in small towns.

In big cities, there's a LOT more guns. And somehow they're less safe. What the hell?!

 

[Tulecreeper]

So much for those responsible gun owners. In Idaho.

Teen boy killed in 12th Street shooting in Idaho Falls

A teenage boy is dead following an accidental discharge of a firearm Wednesday in an Idaho Falls residence.

www.postregister.com

Kids will be kids?

Child shoots, kills 5-year-old with gun found at grandparent's West Michigan home

Police said the a 6-year-old boy was handling a gun found in a bedroom when he accidentally shot the other child.

www.fox2detroit.com

In the Free State of Florida!

Jacksonville police: 6-year-old dies after accidentally shot in head by another child, 9

Police say a 9-year-old got a hold of a gun in a home and accidentally shot a 6-year-old boy in the head while an adult also was home.

www.jacksonville.com

As a military and LE firearms instructor, and a long-time proponent of firearms safety, there is no such thing as an accidental shooting. In every single case where an individual is injured or killed by the unintentional discharge of a firearm it is a negligent shooting. There is nothing accidental about it. Whether it be the responsibility of the person holding the weapon, or the responsibility of the person in charge of storing said weapon, someone was negligent in its use.

 

[Tulecreeper]

One would posit in a town of 10,000 the local police or sheriff would have plenty of time to escort someone while making a deposit. Oh, here’s another idea; purchase a safe and then make the deposit when the bank is open during daylight hours. Wait a minute, I bet your company had a safe. How come you couldn’t make the deposit in the afternoon before the bank closed?Yeah, I can see why doing it at midnight all alone would be a better idea.

The local police or Sheriff never have the time for something as trivial as escorting someone making a deposit. That's what private security and Brink's are for.

 

[Oldgator73]

The local police or Sheriff never have the time for something as trivial as escorting someone making a deposit. That's what private security and Brink's are for.

So I guess they should take “Protect and Serve” off their vehicles.

 

[DeckArtist]

Has anyone declared themselves as the WINNER of the debate yet?

Not that I know of but are already losers...

 

[Oldgator73]

Not that I know of but are already losers...

The losers in the debate are the victims and loved ones of gun violence. Thoughts and prayers.

 

[DonTom]

Why not. Isn’t it their job to protect and serve?

Yes! When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away!

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[DonTom]

Not just some gun nut open-carrying?

The real true nuts do not open carry. They do not want to be questioned.

Only the gun nuts open carry. Different type of nut.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[DonTom]

The losers in the debate are the victims and loved ones of gun violence

Do you mean such as Suzanna Hupp ?

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[Isaac-1]

One would posit in a town of 10,000 the local police or sheriff would have plenty of time to escort someone while making a deposit. Oh, here’s another idea; purchase a safe and then make the deposit when the bank is open during daylight hours. Wait a minute, I bet your company had a safe. How come you couldn’t make the deposit in the afternoon before the bank closed?Yeah, I can see why doing it at midnight all alone would be a better idea.

Now you are the one making assumptions, the business was a food distributor, and much of the money was collected by our delivery drivers, who sometimes would not get back to the warehouse until after 7 pm, though most of the time they were back by 5 pm, either way after banking hours. Leaving the money in a safe in the office is probably no more safe than dropping it at the night deposit, and would likely put more people at potential risk of armed robbery when the morning loading crew showed up at 2 am, note the warehouse was located in a rural area 10 miles outside the city limits, so don't expect instant police response to any type of incident. Most days we would make 2 bank deposits, an afternoon deposit that was mostly checks that had been received in the mail that morning, and a night deposit which was mostly payments picked up by our delivery drivers, which may or may not be in cash.

 

[Isaac-1]

Do you mean such as Suzanna Hupp ?

-Don- Reno, NV

I drove through Killeen, TX for the first time in over 25 years yesterday, wow how that place has grown. Google says it was 63,500 in 1990, now close to 170,000