DonTom
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Yep. All everybody has to do is carefully follow the rules.
But there, I would like to add one:
"There is no such thing as an unloaded gun."
Or, at least:
"Treat unloaded guns as loaded."
-Don- Reno, NV
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But there, I would like to add one:
"There is no such thing as an unloaded gun."
Or, at least:
"Treat unloaded guns as loaded."
-Don- Reno, NV
DonTom
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I kinda doubt the restaurant is still there. 44 people murdered, 24 more shot up, 1 suicide. Total of 69 people from so-called "gun violence."
And what type of gun was used? Glock 17 and Ruger P89 pistol. Both are 9MM, same round as my 100-round Calico pistol. So after the AR-15 is banned, the gun control nutz can go after those pistols.
No doubt they will finally get around to the bolt action rifles, etc.
-Don- Reno, NV
Tulecreeper
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Acting as babysitter for someone and their bag of money is not part of the deal. The vast majority of departments are not Mayberry.
DonTom
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I checked on the web. The place is now Yang Sing Chinese Buffet.
This is where Suzanna's parents, and perhaps many more, were killed by a gun control law. Far from the only time such as happened, this is just the case I remember best. Gun control laws often interfere with the defense of the law-abiding.
While there have been many such cases where gun control has gotten somebody killed, I cannot think of even one time where a gun control law has saved a life.
-Don- Reno, NV
DonTom
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Here in NV, it is 100% legal for me (NV CCW holder) to ignore such a sign as "no guns allowed, including those with concealed carry permits". Such signs are common on front doors of some Reno casinos.
But . . . .
If I am seen with a gun I can be asked to leave. If I refuse, they call the cops and I am then charged with trespassing.
Some here in NV says the sign really means "conceal properly".
IIRC, in Texas, it is illegal to ignore such a sign, which means if a gun is seen they will get arrested on the spot, CCW holder or not. And will lose their CCW for life.
-Don- Reno, NV
Oldgator73
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It’s called community relations.
Tulecreeper
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And as much as any department wants good community relations, they still don't have the manpower. If they do it for one merchant, then all the merchants would want it and the department would have to hire many full-time officer just to provide private escorts to the banks. Ain't happening.
DonTom
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"California Dems Push Bill Requiring Guns to Be Registered Annually, with a Fee"
See here.
"California already has stringent gun laws, rated #1 by Everytown for Gun Safety, such as waiting periods, registration, campus bans, magazine limits, and red flag/storage laws.
Despite these and a longstanding assault weapon ban and universal background checks, California led the nation in active shooter incidents in 2021, raising questions about the effectiveness of further restrictions."
IMO, CA should question the useless gun laws they already have.
But above kinda shows that there is no end to gun control laws until only criminals have guns. CA is never happy, regardless of how many gun control laws they already have.
-Don- Reno, NV
See here.
"California already has stringent gun laws, rated #1 by Everytown for Gun Safety, such as waiting periods, registration, campus bans, magazine limits, and red flag/storage laws.
Despite these and a longstanding assault weapon ban and universal background checks, California led the nation in active shooter incidents in 2021, raising questions about the effectiveness of further restrictions."
IMO, CA should question the useless gun laws they already have.
But above kinda shows that there is no end to gun control laws until only criminals have guns. CA is never happy, regardless of how many gun control laws they already have.
-Don- Reno, NV
Ray-IN
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"To protect and serve" is a good slogan. I have 2 cousins that retired from Indiana state police. Both have told me "I cannot protect you from a potential crime, I can only enforce laws after its broken".
Oldgator73
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If they accompany you to the night deposit at the bank they can protect you.
Oldgator73
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Arkansas gun owners react to new ATF regulation to close gun show loophole
The Biden administration announced new changes to gun regulations which will soon affect thousands of private sellers of firearms.
Isaac-1
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Have you looked at these new regulations, this is not a "gun show loophole" this is end private sales of guns, to prove the point read through these requirements and substitute the word car for gun. If you sell a "car" for more than you paid for it, you are seeking a profit, and are a "car" dealer, oh, so just become a dealer, not so fast, they fought that war 30 years ago when they killed off the "kitchen table" gun dealers, requiring dealers to have dedicated shop space open to the public, etc.
There is no gun show loophole, it is just another public relations tool used to cover up what they are really after, anyone that goes to a gun show in the last 20+ years knows that they are full licensed dealers who run background checks on every sale. While it might be possible for 2 individuals to meet up there, get to talking, and agree to a private party sale of a gun, the same can be done at any other locations, this is not gun show specific, this is the definition of a private party sale. Some years ago, I sold a gun to a coworker for a profit (I had inherited the gun, along with some others, so any amount of money would have been a profit), should this make me a "gun dealer"? Imagine the same sentence with "car" should someone selling a car they inherited to another private party suddenly become a "car dealer" just because they made a profit, how about a collector, how many car collectors intend to sell cars for more than they paid for them?
There is no gun show loophole, it is just another public relations tool used to cover up what they are really after, anyone that goes to a gun show in the last 20+ years knows that they are full licensed dealers who run background checks on every sale. While it might be possible for 2 individuals to meet up there, get to talking, and agree to a private party sale of a gun, the same can be done at any other locations, this is not gun show specific, this is the definition of a private party sale. Some years ago, I sold a gun to a coworker for a profit (I had inherited the gun, along with some others, so any amount of money would have been a profit), should this make me a "gun dealer"? Imagine the same sentence with "car" should someone selling a car they inherited to another private party suddenly become a "car dealer" just because they made a profit, how about a collector, how many car collectors intend to sell cars for more than they paid for them?
Oldgator73
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Cars and guns. You gotta love it. Whether the analogy is killing with guns and cars or selling guns and cars. So if I inherit a hammer and sell it for a profit do I have to have a business license as a hardware store? How about a knife. Same analogy; do I need a business license as a kitchenware store? You guys are funny.
Ray-IN
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re: private sales. Indiana requires a change of ownership/transfer paper be completed and sent to the ISP. Thing is, these change of ownership papers are mailed to FFL holders preprinted with their business information. A private person cannot obtain this required paper with blank spaces for the seller, which would permit the local sheriff or ISP to run a background check on the prospective buyer.
I support background checks, as some people really should not have firearms; but to limit this paper to FFL holders creates a gap in background checks.
Want more gun control? Practice daily.
I support background checks, as some people really should not have firearms; but to limit this paper to FFL holders creates a gap in background checks.
Want more gun control? Practice daily.
DonTom
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The last gun show I went to was here in Reno more than ten years ago. Signs all over which said "no private gun sales allowed on property". All firearms sales there required a BGC.
The "gunshow loophole" is just a BS term, much like "common sense gun laws". It means you're being BSed.
As for the UBCs, expect to see a lot more 2A Sanctuary areas than we now have.
DonTom
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I will support UBCs when drug dealers who sell their guns to ganbangers will take the time to do such instead of making the sale as fast as the guns and money can change hands.
UBC's only have one purpose. To harass the law-abiding gun owners. Criminals don't even care about it, why should they? It has NO effect on them at all.
-Don- Reno, NV
UBC's only have one purpose. To harass the law-abiding gun owners. Criminals don't even care about it, why should they? It has NO effect on them at all.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Skookum
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That is completely incorrect. UBC's ensure a legal market for buyers and sellers, the majority of which are responsible gun owners, which is the largest domestic market for buying and selling guns. UBC's drastically narrow the market for criminals, where buying outside of established process creates legal and other types of peril. If caught, their guns will be seized and it is one more item on their rap sheet which could lead to imprisonment, i.e. keeping a bad person off the street.
Again, stunned, that this would need to be explained to a "responsible gun owner".
And also, are you saying you're fine with illegal immigrants from Mexico having free access to the firearms market in America? Just walk in and buy a gun?
Isaac-1
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I am all for voluntary background checks being available to private gun sellers, it seems like this would be common sense for the so called common sense gun control people, but they seem to be the ones that are most against such a thing.
Imagine this, allow private individuals access to the same phone in background check system FFL gun dealers use, with the same instant approval most of the time, and up to 48 hour delayed approval in cases that need more checking. Note I said allow, not mandate, this way if I have a gun for sale and someone I don't know well wants to buy it, I can call in and check to see if he has a criminal background, or is otherwise disqualified to buy a gun, by entering his name, and other basic identifying information on a web form. Where would be the harm in this? Why are private individuals wanting to sell a gun barred from accessing background checks? The gun control position is to go to an FFL gun dealer pay them a fee to transfer the gun, and have them run the free to them background check.
Imagine this, allow private individuals access to the same phone in background check system FFL gun dealers use, with the same instant approval most of the time, and up to 48 hour delayed approval in cases that need more checking. Note I said allow, not mandate, this way if I have a gun for sale and someone I don't know well wants to buy it, I can call in and check to see if he has a criminal background, or is otherwise disqualified to buy a gun, by entering his name, and other basic identifying information on a web form. Where would be the harm in this? Why are private individuals wanting to sell a gun barred from accessing background checks? The gun control position is to go to an FFL gun dealer pay them a fee to transfer the gun, and have them run the free to them background check.
Skookum
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Yes--because the "gun control" position is to ensure the seller is also legitimate, not just the buyer. This is why there is FFL.
Isaac-1
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What does it even mean to be a "legitimate seller"? Does this mean that they are not selling a stolen gun, in what way is this different than someone selling a stolen car, or any other stolen item? This is an honest question.
